outer darkness mormon

10 reasons why a person ought to consider becoming a Christian. Banishment from the joys of heaven. (To see his baptism for the dead record and other temple work done for him, click here.). Also, the whole thing about Daughters of Perdition. This objection is inconsistent since Mormonism teaches that Lucifer's demon forces, which are clearly destined for "outer darkness," make up one-third of God's "children" (Bruce R. McConkie,Mormon Doctrine, p. 195). Return to the Crash Course Mormonism Index. We probably do not want to know how horrible it is just like in this life, some things that are so horrible that happen (especially to children) wed rather not know about it, if possible. In Jesus parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Jesus contrasted the afterlife state of the lowly Lazarus with that of the self-absorbed rich man. Into the telestial kingdom will go, according to that which is written here in this revelation, the vicious, the unclean, the ungodly (Conference Reports, April 1942, p. 27). What do Mormons believe happened in the pre-existence? These men and women cannot be redeemed, and will be the only ones who will suffer the second death. Meanwhile, sixth President Joseph F. Smith, also taught that a full knowledge of the truth is necessary, adding that not even Judas Iscariotthe betrayer of Jesuswill be destined for Outer Darkness: It is probable that only personages who have acquired similar full knowledge, who willfully and deliberately deny the truth, when they know it to be the truth, can commit the unpardonable sin and become sons of perdition. This is what was taught by several important church leaders, including founder Joseph Smith. The first example would be spirits from the preexistence who sided with Lucifer rather than Jesus at the Council in Heavenwhere it was decided who would become the Savior of the World. He wrote: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death (Rev. For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. Meanwhile, I have known many who could be considered fighters against the church, including those who became involved in what could be considered anti-Mormon activities. Big Love's episode "Outer Darkness" Summary: It is not our intention to discuss details of the portrayal of the temple ceremony here. We believe that after the final judgment there are four places to which a person may be sent. However, not once have I ever suspected such a person to be a closet believer in Mormonism. So apostates from the church are clearly included in this list. Other sources used in composing this topic: http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness#Usage_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement, http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Eventual_fate, http://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/quotes/Sons%20of%20Perdition.htm. And, if you havent come into relationship with the Jesus of the Bible, I encourage you to do some homework and meet Him. By EntropyJustKillUsNow, March 29, 2017 in Social Hall. The New Testament contains four references to the second death, all located in the Revelation of John. In the Book of Mormon the phrase lake of fire and brimstone is used as a metaphor for the suffering that awaits the wicked. The Book of Mormon does not teach the doctrinal truth that hell will end for the majority of those who suffer in the spirit prison prior to being resurrected and entering the telestial kingdom; however, this truth is clearly taught in the Doctrine and Covenants (see D&C 76:3638, 106). 1:18). (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 125). To add an RSC website shortcut to your home screen, open the website in the Safari browser. Gregory A. Boyd, Paul R. Eddy Across the Spectrum: Understanding Issues in Evangelical Theology pp285 2009 "For example, how can hell be a place of outer darkness (Matt. They once held membership in the church (through baptism/confirmation); They had full knowledge of their apostasy from the true and restored church of Jesus Christ; They continue to fight against the LDS Church despite their knowledge. A person would have to be very wicked to know the church was true yet still fight against it! But behold, the resurrection of Christ redeemeth mankind, yea, even all mankind, and bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord. John did not define the second death other than to make it synonymous with the lake of fire and brimstone that awaits the wicked. Jesus disciples were told not to fear those who could kill the body but to fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. On the day of Pentecost, the apostle Peter spoke of the promise David had received that his soul would not be left in hell (Acts 2:27). And remember you can be excommunicated for asking church leaders to give solid answers so trust the apologists who say to only trust the prophets on matters like this. The Book of Mormon also teaches that by coming unto Christ, one can escape the pains of hell experienced in this life. It is simply his opinion. Because of their disobedience, these spirits ended up not receiving bodies, a necessary ingredient to progress to mortality and be qualified for one of the three kingdoms of glory. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. You have to be pretty bad to go to the Teresita's kingdom, and horrendous to go to outer darkness. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? After the millennium, after the last great battle between the forces of God and the forces of Satan, Satan and his followers will be cast into Outer Darkness. Which would be a sure-fire way to know that a spirit is headed to Outer Darkness? 10:28). 8:13). The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. The city of Capernaum was upbraided for its lack of faith in view of the miracles Jesus performed there. The views expressed . Johns announcement of death and hell releasing their dead for judgment is augmented by the Book of Mormon prophet Jacob, who taught the same doctrine but provided significantly more detail. Later in the same discourse Alma blended the doctrines of the Fall, agency, and the second death together as an admonition to keep the commandments of God (see Alma 12:3137). Source: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition. And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous; and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire, which ascendeth up unto God forever and ever, and hath no end (1 Ne. Woman must atone for sins committed by the volition of her own choice, but she will never become an angel to the devil, and sin so far as to place herself beyond the reach of mercy. Brigham Young Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. Marcus Dods (New York: Random House, 1950), 781. Becoming a son of Perdition is hard therefore going to outer darkness is hard. Jacob taught that the lake of fire is not a literal fire but a figurative representation of torment: And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end (2 Ne. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God-banished entirely from his presence. Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). Bad as they may suffer, and awful as their punishment may be, they are not among that group which is to suffer the eternal death and banishment from all influence concerning the power of God (Conference Reports, October 1958, 21). . All missionaries are doing is trying to upgrade people to a premium plan of ruling over planets and polygamy. While some apparently have taught that these spirits could be restored to a kingdom of glory, 12th President Spencer W. Kimball said this wasnt true: In the days of the restoration there apparently were those who taught that the devil and his angels and the sons of perdition should sometime be restored. However, Lucifer did not know all the purposes of the Father as we learn from the Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:6. If Lucifer had not known the effects of his rebellion, how would he ever become perdition? 22:13) if it is also a place of perpetual fire (Matt. This is the final destination of Satan himself. Outer Darkness. Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment (2 Ne. Johns references to the second death testify of its existence but do not offer any explanatory information that instructs those readers who do not already understand the doctrine. In each of the New Testament references to outer darkness, Christ declared the punishment that awaits faithless and wicked people. Death brought a reversal of their conditions wherein the rich man in hell became a beggar, longing for a drop of water from the finger of Lazarus, who was now in heaven, or Abrahams bosom. In the parable Abraham explained the impossibility of receiving his request, because between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence (Luke 16:1926). The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10-12. [2] For a discussion of the New Testament words that translate hell, see The Oxford Companion to the Bible, ed. Your email address will not be published. Hence the saying: They will go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. Therefore, they have drunk out of the cup of the wrath of God, which justice could no more deny unto them than it could deny that Adam should fall because of his partaking of the forbidden fruit; therefore, mercy could have claim on them no more forever. Thus, the second death is taught in conjunction with the first death, which came as a consequence of the Fall of Adam and Eve, and also with the Atonement of Jesus Christ, which redeems all of humankind from the first death through resurrection and the second death through repentance. In the parable of the wedding of the kings son, the king discovered that a guest was not properly attired in the required wedding garment, i.e., righteousness. Rev. Thus ensued the War in Heaven, which resulted in Satan and his followers being cast out of heaven and denied the opportunity of receiving a physical body. 22:13) that awaits the wicked? 16:18). This is in contrast to the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, who will receive a kingdom of glory after the Final Judgment, and enter into one of three degrees of glory after the resurrection: celestial, terrestrial, or telestial kingdoms. 14:1519). The Plan of Salvation kind of negates the reason for missionary work. Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). Their theology was turned upside down! (p. 273). So we can clearly state no women are Sons of Perdition in outer darkness. In Mormonism, it depends. Followers 0. Jesus proclaimed to Peter that the gates of hell would not prevail against the rock upon which He would build the Church (Matt. When the lights were out and we were on the verge of sleep, our camp counselor took advantage of the moment and endeavored to imprint his teachings upon the minds of his captive audience. 6:28), hell fire (3 Ne. Each differing in Glory but all great places to go. If their Prophet wrote in a journal, or said to someone in passing, or gave a talk a local school saying that, Eating toast without butter is a sin worthy of hell! that does not make it a Mormon Doctrine. 20:1315). With the sons of perdition, however, even this blessing is denied. Those who followed Lucifer in his rebellion in the premortal life and those who in mortality sin against the Holy Ghost are sons of perdition. To look closer at this possibility, lets break humans into two categories: 1) Those who have never been Mormon; 2) Those who are or once were Mormon. As Joseph Fielding Smith put it, those mortals who fit into this nebulous category of sons of perdition will suffer permanently while the worst of the worst sinners will suffer only temporarily before receiving a kingdom of glory. It must be emphasized that the witness described means that the person has had the heavens opened unto him and has personally seen, and even spoken with, the Savior, and then has turned against Him, bringing him to open shame. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols., (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 195456), 31.; Bruce R. McConkie, Seven Deadly Heresies, 1 June 1980, BYU Marriot Center.). 23:15). These are they who do two very specific things. About 74 B.C. Mormon theology ultimately portrays Outer Darkness as heaven, and Satan as the God of that realm. J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. It is provided through Christ's atonement and received by personal faith in Christ as Savior and Lord. 9:16; emphasis added). . (See Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Those consigned to hell or outer darkness are partakers of the second death, and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 2:4). 9:16) after the final judgment. This page was last edited on 17 September 2010, at 20:26. 3:20; 10:9- 10; Eph. As with anything in Mormon doctrine, theres a lot of confusion, contradictory information and just all around ignoring a topic that should be as simple as asking a question and getting an answer. At the end of the twenty years, the knife would be withdrawn and again stabbed into us, with the resulting excruciating pain lasting another twenty years; this process would then be repeated for all eternity. Okay, so Cain, we have one guaranteed person according to no citation whatsoever. The sinner must deal with the self-created gulf on his own, with the help of the Savior and his Atonement. Also, you can read this too. To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). Okay so clearly we have billions of souls who qualify as perdition and go to outer darkness according to one prophet in his personal books and not officially speaking as a prophet. 40 talks in 40 days for General Conference, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. ", Learn how and when to remove this template message, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outer_darkness&oldid=1136269337, This page was last edited on 29 January 2023, at 15:14. Smith taught: The sons of perdition are those who have had a knowledge of the truth, have known that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, have had the testimony of the Spirit of the Lord, the Holy Ghost, and these things have all been revealed so that they know they are true; and then they turn against them and fight them knowingly. In the parable of the talents, the returning lord instructed that the wicked and slothful servant who hid his talent in the earth be cast into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. You dont believe it is true, which is the reason why you left. When the king asked, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?" It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 3. (Conference Reports, October 1958, p. 21. . Ray L. Huntington and Terry B. In this realm, as the name implies, there will be no light, and consequently no heat. 23:33). First, LDS Church scripture uses the term outer darkness to refer to a condition in the spirit world. Brigham Young University 20:6). If this is the case, the worst fate any former Latter-day Saint can anticipate is the telestial kingdom. Usually, when one is going to hell, the unspoken caveat is unless they repent. Your email address will not be published. Smith told a general conference audience: I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. Jesus marvelled at the faith of a centurion he met in Capernaum and proclaimed that many would come from the east and west, and [would] sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church. He had a sure witness of the Lord and willfully chose to follow Satan instead.

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